|Summary:||don't start FreeWnn by default on systems that don't need it|
|Product:||[Retired] Red Hat Public Beta||Reporter:||Thomas M Steenholdt <tmus>|
|Component:||comps||Assignee:||Tim Powers <timp>|
|Status:||CLOSED NOTABUG||QA Contact:||Brock Organ <borgan>|
|Fixed In Version:||Doc Type:||Bug Fix|
|Doc Text:||Story Points:||---|
|Last Closed:||2003-01-30 19:34:58 UTC||Type:||---|
|oVirt Team:||---||RHEL 7.3 requirements from Atomic Host:|
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Description Thomas M Steenholdt 2003-01-22 22:19:14 UTC
From Bugzilla Helper: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 Description of problem: Based on system locale or something similar, FreeWnn should be enabled or disabled, so that it's not running on system that will never need it... Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): How reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. Install Phoebe .93 2. Select Danish kb and English(Denmark) locale 3. Watch as FreeWnn is started on boot (after install) Actual Results: it is starting Expected Results: it should not be starting Additional info:
Comment 1 Nakai 2003-01-23 09:22:31 UTC
FreeWnn will be installed when you choose 'Japanese' with at install. If you don't want FreeWnn installed, you should not choose 'Japanese' or 'All languages' at that time.
Comment 2 Thomas M Steenholdt 2003-01-23 10:36:17 UTC
Please read the report, it's 5 lines of text stating... Selecting dk keyboard (nothing else) Selecting English/Denmark) locale (nothing else) Although this is a full install using custom, everything this is still bad! I want to have all packages installed, but have absolutely no use for FreeWnn as my japanese is really bad :) -Or please explain it to me more carefully!
Comment 3 Nakai 2003-01-24 07:25:19 UTC
Sorry this is really a bug. FreeWnn should not be installed when only English/Denmark locale. Reassign to anaconda team.
Comment 4 Michael Fulbright 2003-01-27 17:01:34 UTC
Sorry to pass this on, but this is a comps issue. Anaconda only installs what comps tells us to.
Comment 5 Tim Powers 2003-01-30 19:34:58 UTC
This is not a bug. If you install everything, you get everything, and FreeWnn is turned on by default. The reason for this is that we have no way of knowing for sure that none of the users will have their default language set to Japanese, for example. Closing as not a bug.
Comment 6 Thomas M Steenholdt 2003-01-30 19:48:16 UTC
If you ask me, you can be pretty darn sure, that the language every user, who installs everything, want, is the language he selects during installation?!! If this cannot easily be acomplished (i'm not sure how anaconda works internally) but couldn't it be possible to set up env vars, hinting at the language etc selected during installation, and then check against those variables when installing the FreeWnn rpm... perhaps an even better method(in terms of genericness) could be to have a module running at the end of the installation, where packages selected during installation can modify basic settings according to user input? Of course these are just suggestions, I can perfectly well see your point in that an rpm being installed, will have problems, from some of the scripts to determine exactly the language the user wants. Its just a little sad! Well, there you have my 5 cents on the issue - Thanks for taking a look at the rapport
Comment 7 Tim Powers 2003-01-30 20:05:50 UTC
On a home system, sure, I'll agree with that. If the machine happens to be used by multiple people you can't be certain that when the user logs in that they don't use a different language. I've seen even seen this here at Red Hat. During the installation en_US was selected, but the user actualy used a Norwegian environment. It's not uncommon to see this. Tim
Comment 8 Eido Inoue 2003-01-30 21:20:44 UTC
FreeWnn is a server that listens on a TCP/IP port. There are some (granted few) environments where a central FreeWnn server will serve remote clients (usually for the purpose of sharing a custom dictionary). Thus, the Japanese FreeWnn user doesn't even have to run X clients on the said local machine to use the Wnn server. IOW, FreeWnn is sometimes needed even when Japanese users never telnet/ssh into the server.
Comment 9 Thomas M Steenholdt 2003-01-30 23:21:02 UTC
Usually, though, defaults are for the majority of people... It's that way because it pushes fewer people into reconfiguration, which in turn means that more people will have a smoother experience with the product! If you can't or won't do this, just say so... I guess i can live with having to tweak the system a bit after installation... It's just too bad that newbies will not get max performance out of their systems because several unrequired daemons are started.
Comment 10 Tim Powers 2003-01-31 01:00:52 UTC
You're missing the point completely. You are thinking from a sungle-user perspective and not considering that there are many installs which are used by multiple people who speak different languages, and it should work for them. No, this isn't going to change (at least for this release).
Comment 11 Thomas M Steenholdt 2003-01-31 05:45:06 UTC
I'm not mising the point at all - What I posted here are merely a suggestion, that maybe, if something COULD be done about this, it SHOULD. Since comment #5 I have been convinced that this is in fact not a bug. I have just been pointing out some things to MAYBE keep in mind in the case you ever wanted to change some bacics of the installation process. Summary of oppinons: It would be nice if everybody, would come up with a system only running what is required by that user, after installation. (usually large scale install roll-outs will be customizing all kinds of stuff so these guys we can really gain that much from pleasing in this respect, i think) I know this is not easy - but that doesn't mean that you should not think about in case of installer restructuring or, whatever... Hope this cleared things up a bit. I'm not trying to nag - I'm pushing a couple of suggestions thats it. Sorry for any misunderstanding
Comment 12 Eido Inoue 2003-01-31 06:49:00 UTC
thanks for the suggestion. you should also be aware that "installing everything" is not what most users do, and we do not encourage most users to select this-- which is why the option is kind of buried in the installer. that's intentional. so to address comment #9, "defaults are for the majority of people", this is exactly what we do-- we do not default nor encourage users to "install everything", nor do we default to installing FreeWnn. As for your comment re large-scale rollouts, customizations such as "everything except for a certain package" (such as FreeWnn) is possible with kickstart. Finally, as for the "if you can't or won't do this, just say so" comment, the status of this bug is "CLOSED NOTABUG", which implies "WONTFIX". Thanks for your suggestion though.
Comment 13 Nakai 2003-01-31 07:42:19 UTC
Let me review the point-: FreeWnn is the Japanese only package, is an important one for Japanese speakers, but is also a waste of machine resource for who don't speak Japanese. And there is a requirement: 1. FreeWnn should not be installed when only Denmark locale is selected at installation 2. FreeWnn should be installed when Japanese locale is selected at installation 3. FreeWnn will be installed automatically when the user choose 'everything' 2 and 3 are ok, but 1 is not satisfied yet. This is the point of this bug report,right?
Comment 14 Nakai 2003-01-31 08:11:39 UTC
Hmm, I understand this issue happens because the lang selection is not prior to 'everything' at install.
Comment 15 Thomas M Steenholdt 2003-01-31 11:50:43 UTC
Actually, i don't know what happens if i don't install everything, because i tend to always do that(for my workstation installations)... to answer comment #13 i guess it all works like you have outlined here, an it's fine with me as long as i understand why it happens. [Everything] means each and every package on the installation media! This is also what i expected before i generated this report... But to dig in just a little further, and it looks like ynakai is thinking about something, comment #14 (maybe???), when i select that i want to use "English(Denmark)" locale - that locale is the effectivated one - even though others are installed. Why couldn't something similar be done with FreeWnn? what i mean is, go ahead and install the package, i asked for it, but selecting to install everything doesn't mean that i want all services started automatically...
Comment 16 Thomas M Steenholdt 2003-01-31 11:56:07 UTC
btw, guys, if this discussion is of no use to you, let's just leave it at this. the annoyance is less than minor to me and i can easily accept the explaination i got a long time ago in this report. on the other hand, if you feel like pursuing this, i'll be more than happy to continue my participation in this discussion!